Godless Pastor
Welcome to Godless Pastor, a podcast dedicated to guiding those who feel lost in their walk with the church and the state back to a place of hope and purpose. Hosted by Billy Crocker, a former fundamentalist minister turned atheist then finding his walk of faith, this podcast provides a safe haven for individuals navigating the complexities of faith.
In Godless Pastor, we delve into the gray areas of spirituality, offering insights and perspectives on navigating them with grace and understanding. Our discussions center around embracing a "lead with love" attitude, emphasizing compassion, empathy, and acceptance as guiding principles on the spiritual journey.
Whether you're questioning your beliefs, your politics, struggling with doubt, or seeking a path forward in your relationship with God, Godless Pastor is here to offer encouragement, support, and inspiration. Join us as we discover the power of finding hope amid doubt.
Godless Pastor
From Minister to Doubter: A Journey Through Faith and Politics
Ever wonder what happens when a devout minister starts questioning his faith? Join me, Billy Crocker, on the resurrected Godless Pastor podcast as I share my incredible transformation from a 15-year tenure as a fundamentalist Christian minister to embracing doubt and uncertainty. This episode recounts the rigid doctrines of my past and how I evolved to value questioning over clinging to absolute certainties. You'll hear about my journey through various denominations, grappling with differing beliefs on baptism and salvation, and ultimately moving away from Christianity by 2017.
What if a single movie could shake the very foundations of your faith? Listen as I recount how a film featuring Bill Maher sparked deep contemplation about the complexities of religious beliefs. Maher's critiques, although sometimes exaggerated, pushed me to scrutinize denominational differences and the broader implications for faith and belief systems. This chapter is a deep dive into my struggles to reconcile conflicting doctrines and the insights I gained from interacting with devout individuals of various faiths, including Catholics, Methodists, and Muslims.
Navigating the turbulent waters of faith and politics, this latest chapter revisits the origins of the Godless Pastor podcast. I reflect on my shift from staunch atheism in 2017 to a more open-minded approach by 2024. Facing backlash from my former Christian community, I discuss the importance of gentleness and open-mindedness in both faith and politics. We broaden our conversation to include the current political landscape, emphasizing the necessity of doubt and uncertainty amidst widespread misinformation and understanding the historical shifts in the Democratic Party in the South. This episode is a testament to finding hope amidst doubt and navigating the complexities of faith and politics today.
Welcome to the Godless Pastor. I'm your host, billy Crocker. A podcast dedicated to guiding those who feel lost in their walk with the church and the state back to a place of hope and purpose. Whether you're questioning your beliefs, your politics, struggling with doubt or seeking a path forward in your relationship with God, godless Pastor is here to offer encouragement, support and inspiration. Join us as we discover the power of finding hope amidst doubt. Welcome to the first intro podcast episode of the Godless Pastor.
Speaker 1:You may recall that this is a former podcast that I have done, and so if you've listened to me before, I appreciate it. I'm glad to be back. We have resurrected for lack of a better pun the Godless Pastor podcast, and so a lot has changed since the last time that I was doing these podcasts, and the biggest thing is that I have found, you know, a kind of a happy medium, if you will, in a lot of areas and understood where certain issues need to be really nailed down, as this is important, and issues that are clearly not, and so one of the things that I went through my background, if this is your first time joining me is in fundamentalist Christianity. I was a fundamentalist Christian minister for 15 years of my life, from the time that I was 15 years old until I was 30 years old, and during that time I preached the gospel all over the world. I started in my northeast Texas hometown of Hugh Springs, a little small town, rural area in northeast Texas, through Crossroads Missionary Baptist Church and American Baptist Association Denomination Church. They are very fundamentalist. A lot of the churches are King James Version only, although most have kind of progressed beyond that.
Speaker 1:But the biggest thing that they teach is that you know there's only a select few who are going to get into heaven, and those are the ones that have said the sinner's prayer, follow the Roman road to salvation. If you don't know what that is, then I'm sure we'll touch on that at some point. But basically that you have to go through a certain process in order to earn the good graces of God and Jesus Christ. You have to believe in the entirety of the Bible, from cover to cover, all 66 books, from Genesis to Revelations, and that if you do not believe in every single word in the Bible, then your destination is guaranteed to be hell. And so, even if you were to claim belief, even if you have found some progressive path, if you found some moderate, centrist view or something of your faith, or you're just more open-minded. That doesn't count. You could have said the sinner's prayer, you could have muttered some words, you could have even been baptized by full immersion, completely put underneath the water and brought back up, resurrected in that way from your sins and your failures of your past. And even so, if you do not commit to this specific way of believing, then you are still destined for hell.
Speaker 1:And so this is the fundamentalist viewpoint and the biggest thing that I heard in being from a really small rural area where, you know, there were more churches on every corner than there were grocery stores or anything else that could have been of actual benefit in people's lives in Northeast Texas. There were churches, stores or anything else that could have been of actual benefit in people's lives. In Northeast Texas. There were churches, and now I'm here to say that faith has got an important role. I didn't believe that.
Speaker 1:The last time I was running the Godless Pastor podcast, I was very committed to bursting every bubble I could with faith. I don't necessarily feel like that. That is important to do. I think, for example, richard Dawkins' the God Delusion goes too far. I don't think that we need to even consider ridding the world of faith. I do think that we need to rid the world of fundamentalist faith.
Speaker 1:I think that what would be really beneficial for people would be to recognize that you don't have to view things one way. You don't have to see things as black and white. You don't have to see things one way. You don't have to see things as black and white. You don't have to see things as this is right and this is wrong. You may have a different viewpoint of things, you may have a way of believing. There is a societal standard that we go by with right and wrong. We all think that murdering another individual, for example, is wrong, but there's a lot of philosophical depth to that. You know, we, even fundamentalist Christians the denomination that I was a part of would not consider an American military member shooting and killing the enemy as murder, and so they wouldn't put that in the same classification, and so there's a lot of nuances to the things that we believe, and just that alone shows that there's really not a whole lot of reason to be committed to one path.
Speaker 1:Now, where I found myself was that I felt very determined to share Jesus with everyone that I could, and I joined the military whenever I was around, as to whether or not they were for the gospel or not for the gospel, and I wanted to understand, you know, what their walk was, where they were coming from and where they were headed. And so today's episode you know, five minutes and 22 seconds in, you can tell I haven't done this in a minute is the title is the Path of Doubt and the Comfort of Uncertainty. And so you know, I had a lot of comfort. I thought not in uncertainty but in certainty. And the irony there is that the Christian Bible says that in Hebrews 11.1,. Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. And what I intend to walk you through today, both whenever it comes to your faith and your politics, is that certainty is a bigger insult. If you read Scripture, you know open-mindedly than saying that you know the answer, that you have the answer, that you hold the answer and that your way of believing is the only way to believe.
Speaker 1:But I believed that, and when I went in the military at 19, I was certain of where I was at and what I had thought up until that point of an atheist or a Catholic or anyone who did not believe. The way that I believed was that they had to be miserable individuals. They had to be sinners, quote-unquote sinners. They had to be living a life of sin. They had to be just horrible morals and values.
Speaker 1:And it was right off the bat, in basic training, that I was met with the very first kind of resistance to that thought process. The first person that I became friends with in basic training ended up being an atheist through conversation. You know, obviously in basic you don't get an opportunity to kind of become good buddies with the person that you're next to. Immediately You're getting screamed at by drill sergeants and those sorts of things and so you don't have enough time to make small talk. But I was on a laundry duty so I signed up for that and if you're ever going to join the military that's the duty that you should sign up for, because laundry takes a long time and they kind of leave you alone. So I was on that laundry duty with another individual who became, you know, while I was in basic, a friend and I took that opportunity, with that privacy, while we're doing laundry, to try to share the gospel with this individual.
Speaker 1:I wanted to be able to, you know, to be able to bring the message of Jesus Christ to this individual. And what I found out was that he was from the upper Midwest area of the country, and you know, and that he, he, is an atheist and his family is an atheist, you know, at a minimum agnostic. He just really just kind of grew up, you know, without any sort of specific way of believing and I tried really, really hard to get this individual to understand that he needed Jesus in his life. And the hardest thing about that was up until that point, up until the point I finally said you know, here's the story of Jesus and why you need him. I had learned enough about him to know that he did not fit the stereotype that I had been taught. What I found out, you know, up until that point, was that he was a good, decent human being and that did not fit anything of what I understood about atheism. It did not fit anything that I understood of progressive or liberal. He had progressive views, he had liberal views. He had no interest in learning about God or Jesus and I thought that I would find a world outside of my bubble of Northeast Texas that was desperate and searching for something that they would have a hole in their lives and you know, they don't know where they're supposed to go.
Speaker 1:They don't know, they don't understand the path in their future. And I've got the answer for them. I've got the fundamentalist Christian message that's going to be able to bring them to the other side and they're going to be able to have hope for their future and brightness and light and all of those good things. And I was super excited to share that message. And right off the bat, very first person I became good friends with in basic, and it destroyed my message. I didn't know what to do. I thought, well, I don't have a leveraging point here. I thought I was going to meet somebody who's miserable and depressed and searching, and instead this person was confident and happy and joyful. I could have even argued in that time that he was happier than I was, and so I was super confused and it really threw me off and fast forward another five years or so and I'm on a deployment in the United Arab Emirates and I'm there and I'm with a group of guys and still doing my thing. It threw me off my messaging in BASIC, but I kept pressing forward. I kind of just put it out of my memory what happened in BASIC and I kept on mission and so my entire military time I kept doing that. I kept focusing on sharing the gospel with others. And so I'm on this deployment. It was 2010, 2011, I guess probably 2011. And I'm on this deployment and I I had really garnered kind of a reputation for sharing the gospel and so my nickname was Preacher man, so that was my nickname, and the movie Religious from Bill Mayer had already come out a few years prior to that.
Speaker 1:I knew of the movie, I had not watched it. And then there was also some other movies that had come out, christian movies with, you know, like Lee Strobel and these sorts of things, and you know books on which Lee Strobel is, you know, a former atheist. His claim is that he's a former atheist, who you know journalist, who turned Christian after looking at the evidence supposedly. And so there was a lot of, you know, religious doubt and then a lot that was being kind of on the Christian side, that was meeting that religious doubt, and so there was a lot of material out there. And so I challenged this atheist that I knew on this deployment to watch this Christian movie. And I now can't even remember exactly what the movie was that I was asking him to watch. It's been so many years. But what I do remember um is him saying I will watch that movie If you watch the movie religious. And so I thought you know um.
Speaker 1:Again, I knew who Bill Mayer was, uh, and I knew about the movie and I just had confidence. I thought there is absolutely nothing that I could watch, read, see whatever you know here that is going to alter my faith. This individual is agreeing to watch this Christian movie that I know will pierce his heart and his soul and it will make him, you know, desire to kind of come around to faith. And so sure, I'll watch this religious movie. It's not going to make a difference in my walk. So we make the agreement and I go and watch the movie. He goes and watch the Christian movie, kind of meet back up, and it did not make a difference.
Speaker 1:The Christian movie, or at least he claims it didn't. And I also claim, you know I'm fine, yeah, my faith is still strong. You know Bill Mayer is just, you know he's just out there pop, you know, bursting bubbles of people's faith and that's really all that was and it's not really a whole lot to sneeze at, you know. I mean it's just nothing to write home about. There's nothing there that that's going to shake my faith. Ok, shake hands, move on about our day. But in all honesty, and if you've watched the movie, you know, I'm sure that, especially if you're a Christian listening to this and you've watched the movie, you probably think that I am absolutely ridiculous for allowing this to shake my faith at all. And I do remember in the moment thinking that there was a lot of things in there that was absolutely ridiculous. So I'm not trying to deny that now.
Speaker 1:There were things in that movie that Bill Mayer is really leaning and grasping at straws. He's really leaning on things that we don't really have a lot of strong evidence for. He mentioned some of the other characters around the world who have similar stories to religious, to Christian biblical characters, and there's some evidence there that those things existed, but not enough evidence for him to make it as confidently as he does, and so there's things like that. He obviously goes and finds the nuttiest Christians that he can find, and so I thought that was a little disingenuous. You know, I know Christians who are smart, who are capable. I know Christians who are smart, who are capable, very intellectual individuals who, you know, I just would not put in the same bucket of Christians that he managed to find. He found some pretty crazy Christians. You know, if I may and so it was, you know, I recognize that a lot of it was overblown, a lot of it was, you know, just a little bit too far.
Speaker 1:But there were things in there that made me think, and the biggest thing that Bill Mayer brought up that made me think was the similarities between current denominations and faiths, whether you're talking about the broader scale of like Islam and Christianity and Judaism, or if you're talking about down, you know, down further into the different denominations within Christianity, and both the similarities and the differences between those denominations, the whole issue of the LGBTQ stuff that he goes into and how that is just insane that God would care. You know whether or not you know who a person is with, and you know you can't sit here and have God all the way at the top tier of creator of the universe and then somehow suspect that he's got some interest in what you're doing in the privacy of your bedroom, or even out in public, for that matter. It's the earth, I mean, the whole concept is that God is so big and we are so small. That's a constant message within Christianity and other faiths. And so if you're going to say God is so big and we're so small, then why in the world would he care about something so intricate? And so those things made me kind of scratch my head and I thought, okay, like you know, I don't, I have, for at that point in my life I had for a long time really not understood the differences in the reason for the differences in the denominations. I thought, you know, I get not exactly agreeing, but I had really, up until that point, I had genuinely believed that there was no reason for me to question not just my Christian faith but my belief and my strong feelings about the American Baptist Association.
Speaker 1:And so whenever that started coming in and I started thinking about the differences in denominations, on how they believe about baptism so I mentioned earlier baptism by full immersion there's a saying in the American Baptist Association, and I'm sure in other Baptist denominations as well, that if all that you had was if you got sprinkled as a child which is a lot of the liturgical traditional denominations, the Episcopalians, the Methodists and Catholics if you got sprinkled as a child, which is supposed to cover you use for infants and for younger and some even older people as well. That's just like the way that some of these other denominations do their baptism that you've done nothing more than take a shower. You've done nothing more than take a bath. If you did not believe in the Baptist, the American Baptist Association specific way of believing, that. Even that could be somewhat questionable as to whether or not you received a real baptism, because if you didn't believe the correct way, then how could you have known what you were being baptized for, what you were being baptized for? Now, where it gets really interesting with the American Baptist Association and most other Baptist denominations that I'm familiar with is that they don't actually think that baptism is a requirement for salvation, and so there's all this fuss in the Baptist denominations over how you're supposed to be baptized and what is the correct way to be baptized, but then they don't actually believe in baptism as a requirement for salvation. So that is a little confusing. Now, they base it on Scripture, but the denominations that do believe that you have to be baptized in order to be saved, they also base it on Scripture. There are denominations such as Church of Christ, that believe that you're not supposed to use music, musical instruments, in church. That's why in Church of Christ, you're typically going to hear music, a cappella and so without instruments, and they believe that very strongly, again, according to Scripture. That's why they believe it.
Speaker 1:There's a lot about whether or not a woman can be a pastor. That is based on Scripture on both sides. There are Bible verses that support the idea that a woman absolutely can be the pastor of a church and there are Bible verses that call that into question. When it comes to LGBTQ and whether or not you're supposed to be allowed, or it's okay, christian-wise, to be married to someone of the same sex, there are Bible verses to support the idea that LGBTQ is wrong, you know by the Bible, and there are verses that would have you believe that it really is not an issue, that it was an issue of the day and age in which the Bible was written, but there's no reason to carry some of those things forward to today and that we have a greater understanding of those things.
Speaker 1:There are scriptures in the Bible that talk about slavery and do not talk about it in a poor light. There's verses in the New Testament, where slavery is literally just discussed as, like, this is how you should do slavery. Well, that's obviously just preposterous. Today we don't say anymore, thankfully that slavery is just fine because it's in the Bible. No one thinks that. No one thinks that that is fine.
Speaker 1:So, essentially, those sorts of differences between the denominations was really my initial question. That was kind of my starting point for my doubts. It was not Christianity. I still believed in the Bible. I still believed in God. I still believed in Jesus, I still believed in the Holy Spirit. I still believed in all of those things. I was just struggling to understand why I needed to believe specifically in the American Baptist Association way of believing.
Speaker 1:And by that point, by the point of that deployment that I was mentioning earlier, where you know we're in 2011 at this point and you know, and all these years have passed, I had met so many people chaplains in the military, people that go to the chapel, people that I was stationed with and deployed with that were believers, that were fellow Christians, but they were of different denominations and, just like that atheist that I met in basic training and the atheist that I met in 2011 on my deployment, I could not pinpoint anything about these individuals that I could understand needed to change. I could not imagine going to a Catholic that I had met in the military and saying to them that they needed to re-evaluate their own Christian faith because it's false and it's going to send them to hell and they need to hear the Baptist message of Christianity or they're not saved and that they still are at risk of going to hell despite their clear, strong, faithful walk with God. And then there was those of other entire faiths, such as Islam, people that I met that were Muslim, that were so dedicated to their faith, that were so committed to their walk of faith, more so than most Christians that I had ever met in my life. How could I go to that person and say not only is your view of God entirely wrong, but when I can convince you to come over to the Christian God, because it's not the same, which is how the American Baptist Association looks at it. It's not the same. And then I also need you to understand that not only is your idea of God wrong as the Islam God, but you also need to believe in a specific denominational God, because just the Christian God is not necessarily specific enough. I just could not bring myself to do that, and so those were some of the fractures that were happening in my faith.
Speaker 1:It was not that I wanted to get rid of the entirety of my faith. Not only did I not want to get rid of it, but it terrified me to think of not believing in God anymore. God had been such a pivotal, personable part of my life. It was everything to me, my relationship with God of my life. It was everything to me, my relationship with God. So there was no way that I was you know that I could even think about or consider not believing in God. If you would have asked me in 2010 and 2011, could I have seen myself becoming an atheist in 2017? I would have told you that you were crazy. But what I was asking in 2010 and 2011, and continue to ask all the way through till about 2017, was simply how do we know for certain what we know, and is that what's important? Knowing for certain and the backlash that I experienced was nothing short of horrid. Nothing short of horrid. I experienced family members of mine that were willing to tell me and my then wife and kids that I had at that time that they should leave that. My kids, should you know they should be. That my family should be reported to CPS. That my then wife and kids my family should be reported to CPS. That my then wife and kids ex-wife now should leave because there's no way that I can lead my family anymore. No-transcript.
Speaker 1:And my entire circle because of my time in ministry and because of my dedication to Christian ministry Baptist Christian ministry my entire circle was pastors and churchgoers and the rest of them fundamentalist Christians. I mean, that's really the only friends that I had, because that was. I wasn't very open to any other way of thinking. So that was my entire circle and my family's entire circle, my kids' entire circle, my own family, my parents, my siblings, my aunts and my uncles and my grandparents were all a part of fundamentalist Christian denominations Ironically, not all of them the American Baptist Association, but I digress but it was an immediate backlash from all of these individuals just for asking questions about my denomination. And so then I started asking questions about my faith as a whole, and even in that context I was looking for a moderate position.
Speaker 1:I was reading Rob Bell. If you're not familiar with him, he is a very open-minded, I would say, christian. My understanding is he doesn't even like that term because of the negative connotations that have been associated with the term Christian, but he believes in the Bible, he believes in God, and so I was reading his material. I was reading Rachel Held Evans, who unfortunately has since passed away who unfortunately has since passed away, but at that time she had written many books about a moderate, centrist view of Christianity, an open-minded view of Christianity, a progressive view of Christianity, and I was finding a lot of hope in those writings. I remember thinking to myself in the midst of those readings that I could surely still manage to hang on to some resemblance of my faith. I really genuinely believe that I could still grasp some of Christianity, but unfortunately, the negative attacks from believers, from fellow Christians, was so severe and was so damaging to my heart and my soul. I mean, I was emotionally distraught during that entire time because I was being attacked and, in fairness, I lashed out.
Speaker 1:As I mentioned at the beginning of this episode, the Godless Pastor is a resurrected podcast and so when I did it before, I had just opened the door into this world of atheism and not believing at all, and so this was 2017. And I was really, really committed to pointing out the falsehoods of faith. And the reason why I titled it then the Godless Pastor and why I'm choosing to resurrect it is because I feel as though that it is important that I not abandon the reason that the term pastor was important to me then and why it's important to me now. See, for me the term pastor meant a spiritual leader, a guide in people's lives, in their walk, and there were a lot of people who were disappointed in me of my original circle, who felt like almost that they had been betrayed, and I can understand that. There were people that you know, fast forwarding to 2017, and I'm walking away from my childhood faith that I had helped kind of get with the Christian program, get with the American Baptist Association, people that I had led to salvation, that I had helped to strengthen their walk.
Speaker 1:And then I think that clearly the attitude was like what are you doing? Like I came along my way and some messaged me privately and said as much that they got to where they were at in their own Christian walk because of my faith, and so they felt a little betrayed that I was now saying I'm not going to believe in any of this anymore, and I understand that. And then I was not very kind about it. I was not very kind about it, I was not very gentle and, yes, I was being attacked and that's why I felt justified in acting that way, but that was never what I wanted to do. And so today 2024, I feel a whole lot more at peace with where I'm at in my walk with faith. There are days that I still scratch my head and I'm willing to entertain the idea of God and I will continue to pursue the truth and faith and why that's important and being open-minded about our walk and where we're at in life and where we go after we die and why those questions are important to us and what our purpose in life is and all those things. I think it's okay to entertain those questions, entertain those discussions.
Speaker 1:I do not think that you have to be a hardened atheist. I do not think that, in order to be an atheist, that you have to say that God is stupid and dumb and anybody who believes in God is stupid and dumb. I think that you can come along to saying that you may not personally believe in God, but obviously it's perfectly fine if someone else does of wings, of all these ideals, wants anyone to be saying that there's not an opening for different viewpoints, and fundamentalist Christianity and fundamentalist politics has decided that there is no other view and there is no room for any other view. And if you do not agree with the way that they feel, then you're kicked off. So you know, I've spent the majority of this podcast episode talking about faith, and I will talk about faith a lot in these episodes going forward.
Speaker 1:As I said, the episode title is the Path of Doubt, and you know, whenever we look at the path of doubt and the comfort of uncertainty, what I mean by that is whether we're talking about faith or politics. You don't have to have all the answers, you don't have to know, you don't have to say that I am right, you are wrong, goodbye. It is okay to have doubt. It is okay to have doubt in your political party. It is okay to not have a political party. It is okay to have doubt in your faith. It is okay to not have faith, it is all okay. It's okay to have some certainty in your faith. It's okay to say this is what I want to do with my life, I want to follow a path of faith. That's fine too, whatever floats your boat.
Speaker 1:So that's where it gets a little confusing, because there's really no need for anyone to press forward in what they're currently at without being open-minded. There's no reason to continue to say I do not believe in anything that anyone else says, unless it's what I believe. And in the world today of conspiracy theories and false information and misinformation, I think it's a critical time for us to get back to being open-minded about what other people are saying, but also then leaning on the facts, leaning on the things that we do have an understanding of. There are things that we can be pretty certain of. I think that we should always continue to ask questions, even if we have a certainty. It's okay to continue to ask questions. That's how we grow, that's how we progress, but we don't have to try to act like that. There is no such thing as facts or truth. So you know I want to pivot for just a second and then I'll wrap this up. Today, when we're talking about the path of doubt and the comfort of uncertainty, you know we are. We just had, last Sunday, president Biden stepped down and obviously I'm not giving you any news at this point. It's everywhere, Everyone knows it, it's all around the world and we've got a presumptive nominee and Kamala Harris and Vice President Harris and there's a lot of excitement around the Democrat Party and there is currently a lot of disinformation, misinformation. There's a lot of doubt about who the Democrat Party is and I shared this on TikTok earlier and as a kind of a call to action here at the end of this podcast. You can find us on TikTok at Godless Pastor and so I'll be posting videos there periodically, but I shared on TikTok earlier.
Speaker 1:You know it was after the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 that Southern states became Republican strongholds. Prior to that, the South was very much Democrat. Why were they Democrat? Because the Democrat Party has always been the people's party. It's always been the party of the American worker, the middle class, the blue-collar worker. It always has been. But in the 1960s what shifted was not that the Democrat Party stopped caring about the American worker, the middle class, the blue-collar. It's that they decided that they were not just going to care about those categories if the individuals in those categories were white men. They decided that they would extend that effort to all people, all workers, and the Democrat Party has remained the party of the working people. Since then, the Republican Party has remained the party of corporate greed.
Speaker 1:The Republican Party has a hook in our mouth over social issues. They have learned since the 1960s that people will vote against their own interest if you can tap into their social fears and biases and their faith-based fears and biases. Don't fall for it. Don't fall for it. I don't want to necessarily endorse a political party. I wish that that was not the state of our nation.
Speaker 1:But in this resurrected episode, I have to say with complete confidence that if you care about where we're at as a nation and you care about where we are going forward, I'm going to ask you to remove the veil that the Republican Party has placed on you in making you think that you need to vote for them. So the way LGBTQ cannot get married, that you need to vote for them. So there's not progressive books in your school, in your local public school's library, that you need to vote for them. So the way a woman's right to choose will be taken away from her. So you'll protect the unborn. They're trying to convince you based on social issues and, on the other side of the coin that you're not seeing, they are cutting your legs out from underneath you. The Democrat Party is still the party of the working people and I'm going to ask you to vote blue in November. Vote blue.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much. I appreciate it. I thank you so much for joining us today. For joining us today. You've been listening to the Godless Pastor podcast. Thank you so much for joining us on this inaugural episode, and we will be back here every week from this point forward and I look forward to bringing you more episodes full of faith, politics and how we find our way through this crazy world we're living in. Thank you so much Again. I'm your host, billy Crocker, and you've been listening to the Godless Pastor. Find us on TikTok at Godless Pastor.
